What was Protoculture called (Macross-era)

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medmapguy	What was Protoculture called (Macross-era)	Lead	[-]
Commander Posts: 685 (March 30, 2008 02:47 PM) Commander Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Tags : protoculture There's been some discussion as to just how much PC the REF and Earth forces actually had during the periods during and after Southern Cross. I did hear however someone suggesting that Protoculture did exist during the Masters saga, however under a 'different' name. It's not that the found the PC factory, but they probably found a large stockpile of this new clean efficient energy source within Zor's battlefortress. Now the Zentraedi arrive, they're looking for the Protoculture factory, which produces well... Protoculture. And yet you still had Dolza and Co. freaking out and calling kissing "Protoculture". What the heck is up with this?
Legioss		#1	[-]
Lt. Commander Posts: 475 (March 30, 2008 05:14 PM) Lt. Commander Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Dolza recognizing the Protoculture from Macross is a palimpsest, just like Minmei having a song called "My Boyfriend is a Pilot". Could Zor's people before the Robotech Masters be the Protoculture? Just a theory. I'm not saying to pull stuff out of Macross into Robotech for no reason, but why else does Dolza think a fuel is related to men and women kissing? -Legioss
lord goober2		#2	[-]
Private Posts: 3 (March 30, 2008 05:15 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	It has to do with the fact that Protoculture means two COMPLETELY different things in Macross and Robotech. Protoculture is a term that comes from the original Macross series and it literally means "first culture." The Protoculture in the original Macross is the race that created the Zentraedi and were eventually I believe destroyed by the Protodevlin's Supervision Army. The Zentraedi in the original series were chasing after the Macross because the Macross was originally a Supervision Army gunboat that was apparently badly damaged in a battle and folded away and crashed on Earth in ep 1. Macek used Protoculture as his vector to tie in the 3 series that make up Robotech. Macross and Mospeada were relatively unchanged. The "Protoculture" canisters in Mospeada were a clean hydrogen fuel cell type of energy source in the original Genesis Climber Mospeada. In SC, the whole series takes place on another planet Gloire (with 2 moons which were almost perfectly edited out in Robotech) and the Zor (Masters in Robotech) are the race that originally lived on Gloire and were coming back after abandoning the planet. Basically IIRC there were not enough resources to support both population centers thus the war. What is IDed as the Protoculture Matrix in Robotech in the Masters saga I believe was actually a food source in the original series (I never got that far in the original series, got just past the space shuttle episode) Hope this helps
CavScout		#3	[-]
Captain Posts: 1261 (March 30, 2008 09:22 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	I'd say they called them "reflex" something or another. If we suppose the Mars base power plant ran off Protoculture that is. CavScout "The role of the Cavalry is to add colour, dash and daring, to what would otherwise be a mindless shitfight amongst grunts."-Australian Army saying This is my "mod-voice". If I post in red, it usually means knock whatever it is off!
ShadowLogan		#4	[-]
1st Lieutenant Posts: 260 (March 31, 2008 04:27 AM) 1st Lieutenant Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Dolza's use of the term Protoculture could mean he thought he was seeing a drug based use of the substance called Protoculture. We know PC has biological applications. I think if humans did have a proper term for Protoculture prior to "FOA" a canidate would be HBT. In NG we that PC is labeled as such in containers. Now its possible the Invid labled it as such, but it could also be a hold over from the old days.
medmapguy		#5	[-]
Commander Posts: 688 (March 31, 2008 02:22 PM) Commander Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Lordgoodber, it's all very interesting to bring up the OSM (Original Source Material) to explain why Robotech fans have such a disjointed definition for protoculture, but I would think that this sort of thing usually pops up at the very end of a long and strained Robotech canon debate, where nobody could agree on anything. Could Zor's people before the Robotech Masters be the Protoculture? Just a theory. Now wouldn't that be a great name for Zor's people? But I think if Robotech ever did that, we'd see a lot more Robotech bashing on Macross forums. Dolza's use of the term Protoculture could mean he thought he was seeing a drug based use of the substance called Protoculture. We know PC has biological applications. Quite possible. Maybe such use of PC are illegal in the Zentraedi society. That, or the Robotech Masters exaggerated the extent/power of protoculture to their feeble minded minions. I think if humans did have a proper term for Protoculture prior to "FOA" a canidate would be HBT. In NG we that PC is labeled as such in containers. Now its possible the Invid labled it as such, but it could also be a hold over from the old days. Now there's another interesting fan idea. However, that might mean the term "UN Spacy" does exist in Robotech, which again might have Macross fans up in arms. Imagine a scenario where you see an official Harmony Gold product, like the second volume of the RPG, and you see Kevin Sambieda using the term HBT, as the official 'human' name of protoculture prior and after the Invid Invasion. Would this 'feel' right for Robotech or more like professional fanwank? Should this issue be left murky, like the rest of Robotech canon? I've always wondered what would happen to Robotech canon if they took a stand like that on such a heated issue with some fans. It's gonna be like the whole Later/Early Return theory fallout I suppose (on a much smaller scale)...
Protoculture		#6	[-]
Lt. Commander Posts: 339 (April 1, 2008 08:55 PM) Lt. Commander Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	CavScout wrote: I'd say they called them "reflex" something or another. If we suppose the Mars base power plant ran off Protoculture that is. Something like that. The RT: Mars Base One comic miniseries from Wildstorm (canon by RT.com, specifically) stated Mars Base Sara is experimenting on a new power production generator baseed on the techlonology gleaned from the fallen SDF-1, known as reflex furnace. To cut a long story short, a lone Zent Tou-Redir recon vessel zoomed in to Mars Base Sara as it detects a technology similar to the hunted Zor's fortress, began killing the Terran evacuees, & the Zent ship also perished in the end (Karl Riber's doings). Yeah, 'Reflex Energy' sound better alternative than 'Alien Goo' or 'SDF-fuel'.
rtsurfer		#7	[-]
Fleet Admiral Posts: 2036 (April 3, 2008 08:03 AM) Fleet Admiral Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	They called it "protoculture" in all three sagas. It's possible that commercial applications used other names or that it was known by a more common usage/name but I don't recall one being used in the series. "rtsurfer's two cent..." ;O)
medmapguy		#8	[-]
Commander Posts: 692 (April 3, 2008 03:04 PM) Commander Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	I do have issues, especially in that last SSL show about what I believe to be the "streamlining" of the series. People seemed quite certain that the PC canisters have already been used in the Macross era. It's also been insinuated that these canisters were contained in large scale furnaces like this or something. Now, I'm all for simplicity in this ancient series (though I have my issues with Reflex point being SX Point 83) but I don't know if you can resolve the Protoculture issue this way. Seems a little out there.
rtsurfer		#9	[-]
Fleet Admiral Posts: 2037 (April 3, 2008 03:46 PM) Fleet Admiral Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Both contain protoculture and both plug in, so most likely they are very similar technologies. "rtsurfer's two cent..." ;O)
Jasonc		#10	[-]
Private First Class Posts: 22 (April 8, 2008 05:21 PM) Private Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	How is it that somehow, the two series (Macross and Robotech) always seem to get mixed up. Protoculture, in Robotech's world is a very loosely used term. The only explanation that may hold that I see, is that if it took exuberant amounts of protoculture (the energy source), to create zentraedi, and clones, perhaps what humans do to produce offspring was defined as the same thing due to the same, roundabout outcome??? For the Invid, if they're the original "users" of this Protoculture, perhaps it being the main source of their life and way of being is how they defined it as so. Just my idea of it all. Hopefully I'm somewhat right.

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