The Super Condor in Robotech

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LEM		#21	[-]
3rd Lieutenant Posts: 117 (March 10, 2008 12:18 PM) 3rd Lieutenant Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	If you look at the Beta from the line-art and compare it from the cockpit, you can see that one is not to the correct scale. The only windows appear along the side and not in the front of the nose. At least that is how it looks to me. The F-35 has a system like the YF-19 from its EOTS which ties into the HMD display. This allows the pilot to see the outside world while looking in his HMD and not the cockpit. Something like this would have to be in use for the Condor.
ShadowLogan		#22	[-]
1st Lieutenant Posts: 254 (March 10, 2008 01:13 PM) 1st Lieutenant Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Are you kidding me? No I am not. The Line Art can go either way when you look at it as part of the issue deals with color and lineart does not portray color. Screencaps of the Beta fighter externals do not show any clear transparent medium in the location(s) your looking for. Not at the uRRG or Robotech Research's Picture Archive and I looked at both locations. And by clear transparent medium I mean like what you see on the Logan, Alpha, or VF-1 fighter/gaurdian mode canopy. Those yellow/orange bulbs on the side do have a shiny glass like quality to them, but from experience with colored glass there should be a tint from the inside view. There isn't any tint in the screencaps. Look at somthing regular with 3D glasses or with the old G1 Transformer Toys TechSpec decoders (those transparent red plastic strips) and you'll understand what I mean. Screencaps at both the uRRG and RR of the Beta's cockpit open from "Metamorphosis" show those yellow bulbs in the same basic position as the external views from the internal sealed cockpit..
Basara 549		#23	[-]
Fleet Admiral Posts: 2016 (March 10, 2008 04:52 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	1. Consider the different views (from outside looking in, and inside looking out) for the REAL-LIFE EA-6B Prowler. 2. Consider the different views (similarly) of looking through ANY of the hundreds of thousands of vehicles with mirrored window tinting. 3. HELL, consider how the #$%%#$%ing CYCLONE HELMETS have visors that can be mirrored opaque from the outside while being able to see out them, as (probably) a type of polarization. ShadowLogan, have you ever been in a room with a 1-way mirror? You're acting as if you're completely foreign to the concept. The way the in-series art is shown, could easily be a self-polarizing reflective surface to cut down glare, EM leakage (like with the EA-6's gold-impregnated cockpit "glass"), and to block out the probable flashes of light that would occur when the Alpha fired its engines back up after separation (especially at night). The line art could be the glass shown transparent for detail - Or could be as simple as being the effect of having the interior lit up at night. Under normal circumstances, "1-way" mirrors, always transparent (though with reduced light throughput than truly clear class) from the back side, becomes transparent from the mirrored side, if the mirrored side room is darker than the back side (hence all the old "turned on the wrong light"/"lights turned off" gags involving lineup rooms in police comedies as well as serious crime dramas). While the coatings REDUCE total light, they do not give a tint to the light - REGARDLESS of the color of the reflective coating from the outside (as the underside of the coating is typically grey). Your argument is fatally flawed, demanding that the material has to be a colored material, when everything that is showed is consistant with a coating that is reflective tint on one side, light reducing on the other side, that has been common on REAL WORLD vehicles for four decades, and in housing, business and medical applications for well over a century. Watching you trying to argue that the windows, that are shown to be windows in every source, aren't actually windows, is so illogical, it makes my head hurt, just trying to stay out of it, so I finally had to step in and put in my two cents worth. Stan Bundy sbundy@kih.net ICQ: Basara (2878324) Xfire: basara549 Administrator, RDF-HQ Communications Center, and Ringmaster of the Disciples of Zor Webring Fanfic Author: The Freeman Chronicles, and many other Robotech Fanfics Author of the ABP-Z4 for the Robotech RPG (The Rifter #5), and net supplements for all Palladium RPGs. Gaming files and fanfic are at: http://home.kih.net/~sbundy/ "One should always be wary of a scientist speaking out of his narrow field, or those invoking their name outside their fields. Scientists are human too, and are just as prone to cling to 'causes', just or frivolous, as the rest of our species." - Dr. Peter Wykoff Walker, 11 Sept 1997, rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
rtsurfer		#24	[-]
Fleet Admiral Posts: 2032 (March 12, 2008 04:04 PM) Fleet Admiral Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Could this be a Super Condor predicessor or variant in the bottom left? "rtsurfer's two cent..." ;O)
Jefffar		#25	[-]
1st Lieutenant Posts: 211 (March 13, 2008 02:09 PM) 2nd Lieutenant Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Don't know how big it is. Is that from the Invid origional assault on earth?
rtsurfer		#26	[-]
Fleet Admiral Posts: 2034 (March 14, 2008 06:32 AM) Fleet Admiral Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	I think that still is from the 2nd Earth Reclamation Force. "rtsurfer's two cent..." ;O)
Tiree		#27	[-]
RDF Recruit Posts: 1 (March 14, 2008 12:38 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Do we know what the craft is in the upper right hand corner. The one that is being blown up, and looks like several Invid are about to attack it? To me that looks like a Condor, with an ugly nose section. But then again, it could be much larger, as we do not see much in the way of live fighter craft in the picture other than Invid
ShadowLogan		#28	[-]
1st Lieutenant Posts: 256 (March 15, 2008 01:18 PM) 1st Lieutenant Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	The way the in-series art is shown, could easily be a self-polarizing reflective surface to cut down glare, EM leakage (like with the EA-6's gold-impregnated cockpit "glass"), and to block out the probable flashes of light that would occur when the Alpha fired its engines back up after separation (especially at night). Their is a flash at the connection line between the Alpha/Beta when they seperate. However, when that flash occurs those "bulbs" are concealed in a similiar position to Battloid Mode (as they are not visible). The pilot's own helmet as you pointed out can polarize, presuming they are wearing one. Even on the EA-6 (and other aircraft) you can still look in w/n a certain range/angles, not so with the Beta ever. Which is part of what factored into my thinking. (Yes I am familiar with the 1-way mirror). Part of my thinking on this issue also stems from my view on the Beta recovered at Point K. I have my doubts that it was always a manned platform, and that it may have been converted in the field at Point K for a manned operator for some reason. The Novel and RPG continuities make it clear that the Beta was always a manned platform, but I do not think the animated series does. And really is there an actual reason that the previous options presented could not be equiped to handle these issues? RTsurfer: I don't know. The vehicle in the bottom left corner below the Izum-16 could be another warship sized vechile. It really depends on the where the ship is in relation to the Izum. If its behind it, then it's likely a warship, but in front it could be a fighter or shuttle I would think. The same goes for the one in the upper right corner between the Booster Scouts (or are those more like Troopers in design). However, yes I do think it could be related to the Super Condor 2, maybe as a design w/o arms possibly. The other design might be related to the Carpenter fighter. depending on what it looks like when its not exploding.
Basara 549		#29	[-]
Fleet Admiral Posts: 2019 (March 15, 2008 10:01 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	When someone is piloting a beta, in the series, I don't ever remember any of them wearing a helmet. Stan Bundy sbundy@kih.net ICQ: Basara (2878324) Xfire: basara549 Administrator, RDF-HQ Communications Center, and Ringmaster of the Disciples of Zor Webring Fanfic Author: The Freeman Chronicles, and many other Robotech Fanfics Author of the ABP-Z4 for the Robotech RPG (The Rifter #5), and net supplements for all Palladium RPGs. Gaming files and fanfic are at: http://home.kih.net/~sbundy/ "One should always be wary of a scientist speaking out of his narrow field, or those invoking their name outside their fields. Scientists are human too, and are just as prone to cling to 'causes', just or frivolous, as the rest of our species." - Dr. Peter Wykoff Walker, 11 Sept 1997, rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Brooklyn Red Leg		#30	[-]
Commander Posts: 714 (March 16, 2008 05:58 AM) Commander Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Basara 549 wrote: When someone is piloting a beta, in the series, I don't ever remember any of them wearing a helmet. I can think of only 3 instances: Ghost Town, Big Apple and Symphony of Light. Its implied (but not shown IIRC) Lancer is wearing one in Metamorphosis. Let Harmony Gold and its licensees know that you want Robotech Masters Merchandise! Sign the petition and help us! Masters War Merchandise Petition
Basara 549		#31	[-]
Fleet Admiral Posts: 2020 (March 16, 2008 07:05 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Hmm... in all those episodes, everyone is acting more and more like a real military unit, than a group of irregulars flying by the seat of their pants. I wonder if it's a coincidence? Ghost Town: an organized assault on an Invid broadcast tower, in coordination with a barely flight-capable ship. Big Apple: A synchronized assault on an Invid hive. Symphony of Light: A point where half the team was actually officially back in service. Perhaps some of the readouts for working in close conjunction with other units are displayed on the helmet visor displays. Stan Bundy sbundy@kih.net ICQ: Basara (2878324) Xfire: basara549 Administrator, RDF-HQ Communications Center, and Ringmaster of the Disciples of Zor Webring Fanfic Author: The Freeman Chronicles, and many other Robotech Fanfics Author of the ABP-Z4 for the Robotech RPG (The Rifter #5), and net supplements for all Palladium RPGs. Gaming files and fanfic are at: http://home.kih.net/~sbundy/ "One should always be wary of a scientist speaking out of his narrow field, or those invoking their name outside their fields. Scientists are human too, and are just as prone to cling to 'causes', just or frivolous, as the rest of our species." - Dr. Peter Wykoff Walker, 11 Sept 1997, rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
FPilot		#32	[-]
Admiral Posts: 1359 (March 17, 2008 02:53 PM) Arcadia Squadron Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	I would think that it's an incoming conclusion that someday helmet-mounted HUDs will become commonplace, if not ubiquitous. Oh, BTW Brook? Did you see my post about Macross Plus mecha action figures in my forum room? Which then begs the question...which would you rather play? A Condor, an Alpha, or a YF-19? Stephen "FPilot" Bierce Pilot's Log: http://frustratedpilot.livejournal.com
Brooklyn Red Leg		#33	[-]
Commander Posts: 715 (March 18, 2008 12:29 AM) Commander Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Fpilot wrote: Which then begs the question...which would you rather play? A Condor, an Alpha, or a YF-19? Heh, you know me. Always wanting to swim against the current. No contest, a Condor pilot of course. Which is probably one of the reasons I'm so pissed at HG about this whole debacle. Its not only counterintuitive (when you get right down to it), but its also counterproductive to those of us who WANT to play a VA-5 Condor pilot. Let Harmony Gold and its licensees know that you want Robotech Masters Merchandise! Sign the petition and help us! Masters War Merchandise Petition
Protoculture		#34	[-]
Lt. Commander Posts: 317 (March 18, 2008 07:01 PM) Lt. Commander Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	With the recent Palladium stance on Condor's being a Battloid with HG's backing, I think we can rest the case of it being a Veritech, simply a Battloid model (or failed VT project). This means, given its mission profile, it could well served the paratroopers elements in EF Army. Of course, regarding the Super Condor, now's that different kettle of fish. we know it has both Flight mode & Battloid mode, so either to classify it as the successful continuation for the failed Condor VF project, or next replacement model to the Condor battloid.
LEM		#35	[-]
3rd Lieutenant Posts: 118 (March 20, 2008 04:25 PM) 3rd Lieutenant Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Heh, you know me. Always wanting to swim against the current. No contest, a Condor pilot of course. Which is probably one of the reasons I'm so pissed at HG about this whole debacle. Its not only counterintuitive (when you get right down to it), but its also counterproductive to those of us who WANT to play a VA-5 Condor pilot. HG isn't thinking it through. How can you have a force that is supposed to strike enemy worlds if it doesn't have a weapon system that can ferry a warload internally down to a planet and leave that planet with transatmospheric capability? You need the Condor and a post production model of the VF-X-4 for REF to be viable before the Alpha and Beta are introduced. Bah... But I digress. Flying the Condor wouldn't be a lot of fun, considering it's massive, lumbering, and slow in dense air. Flying a Logan would be a lot more fun. Last Edited By: LEM March 20, 2008 04:31 PM. Edited 1 times.
Basara 549		#36	[-]
Fleet Admiral Posts: 2022 (March 20, 2008 11:57 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Maybe I oughta sue HG for Plagiarism... After all, they ignored their own stated evidence that it was a transformable fighter, to make it a failed Veritech design resulting in a battloid. That's exactly MY version of the Condor (at the time, I called it the VAF-5SB), from the mid-1990s on-line supplement "Prototypes and Stop-Gap Measures". Stan Bundy sbundy@kih.net ICQ: Basara (2878324) Xfire: basara549 Administrator, RDF-HQ Communications Center, and Ringmaster of the Disciples of Zor Webring Fanfic Author: The Freeman Chronicles, and many other Robotech Fanfics Author of the ABP-Z4 for the Robotech RPG (The Rifter #5), and net supplements for all Palladium RPGs. Gaming files and fanfic are at: http://home.kih.net/~sbundy/ "One should always be wary of a scientist speaking out of his narrow field, or those invoking their name outside their fields. Scientists are human too, and are just as prone to cling to 'causes', just or frivolous, as the rest of our species." - Dr. Peter Wykoff Walker, 11 Sept 1997, rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Protoculture		#37	[-]
Lt. Commander Posts: 340 (April 1, 2008 08:59 PM) Lt. Commander Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	.... HG for Plagiarism... They can get away with it ... Remember how fanmade ShadowDancer cyclone adopted to canonicity in RT: Invasion console game? I doubt HG consult with the guy who actually draw that awesome Cyc in the first place ...
Basara 549		#38	[-]
Fleet Admiral Posts: 2026 (April 2, 2008 02:26 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Actually, at the time, the VR-064 was published in an OFFICIALLY LICENSED fanzine. Anything they published back then would default to HG (other than the Palladium game system crunchy bits). Stan Bundy sbundy@kih.net ICQ: Basara (2878324) Xfire: basara549 Administrator, RDF-HQ Communications Center, and Ringmaster of the Disciples of Zor Webring Fanfic Author: The Freeman Chronicles, and many other Robotech Fanfics Author of the ABP-Z4 for the Robotech RPG (The Rifter #5), and net supplements for all Palladium RPGs. Gaming files and fanfic are at: http://home.kih.net/~sbundy/ "One should always be wary of a scientist speaking out of his narrow field, or those invoking their name outside their fields. Scientists are human too, and are just as prone to cling to 'causes', just or frivolous, as the rest of our species." - Dr. Peter Wykoff Walker, 11 Sept 1997, rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
CavScout		#39	[-]
Captain Posts: 1266 (April 2, 2008 05:17 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Protoculture wrote: .... HG for Plagiarism... They can get away with it ... Remember how fanmade ShadowDancer cyclone adopted to canonicity in RT: Invasion console game? I doubt HG consult with the guy who actually draw that awesome Cyc in the first place ... Also, one can not claim to own the copyright to derivative works. The original copyright holder own it, no matter who "derives" it. CavScout "The role of the Cavalry is to add colour, dash and daring, to what would otherwise be a mindless shitfight amongst grunts."-Australian Army saying This is my "mod-voice". If I post in red, it usually means knock whatever it is off!
Basara 549		#40	[-]
Fleet Admiral Posts: 2027 (April 3, 2008 01:22 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	To an extent, yes. But if one remembers, my original treatment did not use images. One of the lovely grey areas with derivative works such as fan-created items is that while the source derived from owns the terminology and likenesses taken directly from their product, the creator of the item retains the the rest. And, when you get down to it, the non-existance of anything official on a particular item (in some cases denial), that later is used that mirrors an unofficial source, can be considered suspect under law. Not that I'd actually do something other than howl in protest, but there HAVE been cases where reviewers, fan groups or completely unrelated writers have stated things that writers of something ongoing (multiple movies, TV series) had never considered, and even denied as possible, that later got incorporated, that resulted in lawsuits that were (for the most part) settled out of court. Examples of ownership, and how it breaks down: VR-064: Published in an authorized magazine, belongs to to HG (other than the Palladium terms) ABP-Z4: Published in an authorized sourcebook, belongs to HG (other than the Palladium terms) VAF-5SB: Published on the net as a fan work. All Palladium Terms belong to Palladium; all Robotech terms belong to HG; anything not directly derived from either is still technically mine (not much, mostly fanfic-style backstory). My fanfics: words and characters taken directly from the source are HG's. Everything else is mine (Scott Freeman, etc., and much of my handling of how those fanfic universes ought to work) Another example is the re-emergence of the stat blocks for the "unseen" mechs in Battletech, with completely new art. The stats belonged to FASA and its successors; it was only when married to images derived from Macross, etc. that there was legal issue. If they wanted to, theoretically those companies could probably reprint the old Star Trek RPG's spaceship combat system, simply by replacing the backstory and the names that are copyrights/trademarks of Paramount with something of their own creation. Stan Bundy sbundy@kih.net ICQ: Basara (2878324) Xfire: basara549 Administrator, RDF-HQ Communications Center, and Ringmaster of the Disciples of Zor Webring Fanfic Author: The Freeman Chronicles, and many other Robotech Fanfics Author of the ABP-Z4 for the Robotech RPG (The Rifter #5), and net supplements for all Palladium RPGs. Gaming files and fanfic are at: http://home.kih.net/~sbundy/ "One should always be wary of a scientist speaking out of his narrow field, or those invoking their name outside their fields. Scientists are human too, and are just as prone to cling to 'causes', just or frivolous, as the rest of our species." - Dr. Peter Wykoff Walker, 11 Sept 1997, rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated

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